Posted 2006-08-21 14:50 (#39490 - in reply to #39487) Subject: RE: time is passed
Location: Barton Upon Humber
Placename Ingavangis - is not yatvingian, it is samogitian.
Ingavangis is in direction to Prienai, opposite to Samogitia, so it is of yotvingian origin (as well as Jieznas). Vangis ending is very common to western balts and ment I think small forest. But there are plenty of youtvingian toponymics all over the place.
So why couldn be so, that lithuanians changed prussian placenames to own style?
Why didn't Lithuanians change names of Leipalingis, Seirijai, Lazdijai and many many others? Are you saying that scalovian widniss was "wilder" than yotvingian?
But had Mindaugas real power in Scalovia and Nadrovia?
OK - are we talking of "ever belonged" or "had real power"? Order considered him to have rights to those lands, once they decided to get his grant. And that answers question whether these lands ever belonged to Lithuania.
Lithuanians in 13 century differs from lithuanians in 19 century.
I'm with you - in that case Lithuanians of 21st century illigally occupy lands that rightfully belongs to 13th century Lithuanians