Posted 2006-08-29 23:12 (#39661 - in reply to #39655) Subject: western settlement border
Tomas Baranauskas - 2006-08-29 7:46 PM
And what does Vytautas admit in the peace treaty of 1384 with the Teutonic Order?
Mantas, read and then go and weep in your chamber.
"Von Rumsisken vort an die Memel uff kein Rusen im mittilstrome ken den landen zcu Prusen; von dannen bis uff die Masouwe und Polan, alzo, was czwisschen den landen and Prusen und der Memel gelegin ist, das das czumole ir ("ir" is the Order) blibe ... . Ouch sint die selben landt ni unsir elderen gewest und bekennen, das wir kein Recht daczu haben."
Translation of the last setence:
"Also, the very same lands have never been the lands of our ancestors, and (we) admit that we have no claim to them."
Congratulations, Lutz. You have just "proved", that Rumšiškės (Rumsisken), laying to the East from Kaunas, in the territory of the Duchy of Trakai, the core of Vytautas' patrimony, was never Lithuanian, and therefore obviously Prussian (in the sence "German"). Next step: prove that Vilnius and Trakai were also legitimate territory of the Teutonic Order and the existence of Lithuania was just a pagan crime and misunderstanding.
PS. Place omited in the quote: "...blibe, want der ordin di landt vorwustet hat und vortreben hat und gewonnen."
(...will stay [in your possession], because the Order had the land devastated and depopulated and won")
Considering the western border of the Lithuanian settlement he did not concede much, did he?