Forum of Lithuanian History

Forum of Lithuanian history is a place for discussion on the urgent problems of the Lithuanian history. Share your opinions!

Moderator of the forum - Tomas Baranauskas

Our website - Medieval Lithuania
viduramziu.istorija.net/en/


[ Taisyklės ] [ Правила ] [ Rules ]
 

Medieval Lithuania
Search | User Listing Forums | Calendars | Albums | Quotes | Skins | Language
You are logged in as a guest. ( logon | register )

Random quote: "Hegel was right when he said that we learn from history that man can never learn anything from history." George Bernard Shaw (1856 - 1950)
- (Added by: Tomas Baranauskas)


Buga vs Baranauskas (part 2)
[Frozen]

View previous thread :: View next thread
  Frozen      FORUMS -> Forum of Lithuanian history Message format 
 
Lutz Szemkus
Posted 2006-08-29 23:12 (#39661 - in reply to #39655)
Subject: western settlement border


50050050101010
Tomas Baranauskas - 2006-08-29 7:46 PM

And what does Vytautas admit in the peace treaty of 1384 with the Teutonic Order?
Mantas, read and then go and weep in your chamber.

Quote Vytautas:

"Von Rumsisken vort an die Memel uff kein Rusen im mittilstrome ken den landen zcu Prusen; von dannen bis uff die Masouwe und Polan, alzo, was czwisschen den landen and Prusen und der Memel gelegin ist, das das czumole ir ("ir" is the Order) blibe ... . Ouch sint die selben landt ni unsir elderen gewest und bekennen, das wir kein Recht daczu haben."
Translation of the last setence:
"Also, the very same lands have never been the lands of our ancestors, and (we) admit that we have no claim to them."
 


Congratulations, Lutz. You have just "proved", that Rumšiškės (Rumsisken), laying to the East from Kaunas, in the territory of the Duchy of Trakai, the core of Vytautas' patrimony, was never Lithuanian, and therefore obviously Prussian (in the sence "German"). Next step: prove that Vilnius and Trakai were also legitimate territory of the Teutonic Order and the existence of Lithuania was just a pagan crime and misunderstanding.

PS. Place omited in the quote: "...blibe, want der ordin di landt vorwustet hat und vortreben hat und gewonnen."
(...will stay [in your possession], because the Order had the land devastated and depopulated and won")


 
 




Considering the western border of the Lithuanian settlement he did not concede much, did he?

Lutz Szemkus




()



Attachments
----------------
Attachments wildnisa.jpg (42KB - 68 downloads)
Top of the page Bottom of the page



Frozen
Jump to forum :
Search this forum
E-mail a link to this thread

 

(Delete all cookies set by this site)
Running MegaBBS ASP Forum Software
© 2002-2019 PD9 Software