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incognito
Posted 2007-05-25 18:26 (#44566 - in reply to #44540)
Subject: RE: toponyms



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Velnias - 2007-05-24 8:36 PM
Why do you think so? These toponyms named after gudai too: Gudamedis (tree of gudai), Gudaraistis (swamp of gudai), Gudežeris (lake of gudai).  

Are you kidding, how do you imagine Belarusian living in swamps, trees or lakes?  

Foolish question. If foreigners are living in one place, and to near this place are swamp, lake, or forest, or remarkable tree, it was natural for lithuanians name this place after foreigners. Lots of toponyms named after person names, why could be named after ethnic groups?

t's quite usual and normal to name places after ethnic group. There are many similar exmples named after others, like Totorkalnis (hill of tatars), Švedkalnis (hill of swedes).  

Find me analogies with lake, tree or swamp. 

Totoriškiai, lake in Trakai, named because near this lake were living tatars.
Guduniškis, lake in Labanoras forest - not so far from belarusian/polish living area
Latviškis, lake near Dusetos - not so far from Latvia
Zviedru purvs (Cēsu rajons), Latvija
Krievu–Jersikas purvs (Preiļu rajons), Latvija

Hill or mire may be historically connected with war (mire with secret road - kūlgrinda, hill with fortifications or cemetery

Could be or not. Swedes are not our neighbours, but swedish army was in Lithuania. In earlier times army camp was established on a hill, so after swedes are named lots of hills in Lithuania - Švedkalnis.

Could be or could not be. For example: in new place settled poles, local inhabitants new village probably would call - village of poles -> Lenkiškiai . 

Yes, but when they become lithuanized, their progeny can resettle and name their new place after first one. 

Could be or not.

And location of Gudai in Lithuania confrims this: toponyms are positioned near to slavs or to samogitian dialect but not to subsubdialectics. 

How do you imagine where are those subdialects laid? Between Samogitia and Aukstaitia?  

Foolish question. Think a bit. There are lots of subsubdialetcs all over Lithuania:
http://samogitia.mch.mii.lt/KALBA/girdstr.en.htm
but toponyms named after gudai are located in three main areas.

More likely these toponyms should be found in todays Poland or Belarus.  

How do you know that they are not found, remember Pagude (Prussian land)? Goths were migrating people, also they could be traders and etc... How could people confuse a big people community in East with other in West? 

Velnias, so in what country Pagude is today?


Edited by incognito 2007-05-25 18:32
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