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Velnias
Posted 2007-05-27 01:37 (#44605 - in reply to #44566)
Subject: RE: toponyms



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Foolish question. If foreigners are living in one place, and to near this place are swamp, lake, or forest, or remarkable tree, it was natural for lithuanians name this place after foreigners. Lots of toponyms named after person names, why could be named after ethnic groups? 


More logical explanation is that tree (medis), swamp (raistas) or ežeras are defined by stem gud-, meaning minor. This means that near to the living place is swamp (in swamps grow only minor flora), minor trees and minor lakes (or lakes surrounded by minor flora, bushes and etc...). Components of compounds usualy have this feature: first component is defining the second.

Its illogical that word contains two unconnected stems (human who speaks in strange language + tree (or lake, or swamp) which is close to his living place).

I'd say that your answer is foolish


Totoriškiai, lake in Trakai, named because near this lake were living tatars.
Guduniškis, lake in Labanoras forest - not so far from belarusian/polish living area
Latviškis, lake near Dusetos - not so far from Latvia
Zviedru purvs (Cēsu rajons), Latvija
Krievu–Jersikas purvs (Preiļu rajons), Latvija
 


Gudūniškis seems unclear.

Zviedru purvs (Cēsu rajons), Latvija
Krievu–Jersikas purvs (Preiļu rajons), Latvija 

Obvious innovations.

Latviškis, lake near Dusetos - not so far from Latvia 


I think this is the only relevant variant, but we have one trifle. Gudežeris has a component which could come from adjective defining lake, but not people. Latviškis could come from village name in which lived latvians. Also, terms like zviedris or latvian are much younger than our root gud- in every case.

Foolish question. Think a bit. There are lots of subsubdialetcs all over Lithuania:
http://samogitia.mch.mii.lt/KALBA/girdstr.en.htm
but toponyms named after gudai are located in three main areas.  


You misunderstood me.

You say:
And location of Gudai in Lithuania confrims this: toponyms are positioned near to slavs or to samogitian dialect but not to subsubdialectics.  


Translation:
"toponimai išsidėstę arti slavų ar žemaičių tarmės, bet ne arti patarmių"

Could you explain me what you meant?
1. We are not able to see real distribution of gud- without detail maps.
2. There is not any correlation between these toponyms
3. All territory of Lithuania contains differend subdialects, so it doesn't matter where such toponym exists, it could originate from whatever side (strangers could come from Kupiškėnai, from Anykštėnai, from Panevėžiškiai, from Belarusians, from Kauniškiai, from Mažeikiškiai, from Plungiškiai...)

elnias, so in what country Pagude is today 


This territory belongs to Poland now.

Remember toponyms in other countries, like Gudzeniški, in Belarus.
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