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zirgas7
Posted 2012-03-26 03:09 (#89448 - in reply to #89312)
Subject: Gudivari



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Radau vieną seną knygą išleistą 1839. Jos 1212 psl. aiškiai yra sakoma, kad Gotai išėjo iš Vyslos deltos. Dar daroma prielaida, kad pavadinimas Gotai kilo nuo genties Gudivari pavadinimo ir tai yra panašu į lietuvišką Gudai. Ir visa tai įvyko prieš beveik 200 metų. Aš tik galiu įsivaizduoti kaip smarkiai buvo žengta atgal, kad mes tik dabar galim vėl artėti prie to paties. Autorius Carlo Troya rašo, kad jis remiasi Giornande (Jordanu). Tačiau aš niekur nerandu pas jį žodžio Gudivari. Iš kur jis jį paėmė? Gal yra kažkoks kitas šaltinis. Žodį Gudivari pirmas pavartojo Pagnozzi 1824 metais, apačioje įdedu nuorodą. Daugiau Internete tokio žodžio nėra. :-(


Storia d'Italia del medio-evo
Carlo Troya
Napoli 1839
http://books.google.it/books?ei=O3ZvT9CrL6n04QTV1eW_Ag&hl=it&id=rRA...
puslapis 1212
De popoli Barbari
X dalis:
In tanta scarsezza di notizie i rapidi cenni Giornande sono d'un gran valore; ne per quando egle sia scrittore di piccolo conto si puo negar fede al nipote di Peria in cio che narra delle transmigrazioni de'Barbari dopo Attila. Scrive adunque Giornande, che a'suoi di sulle tre della Vistola risedessero i Vidioarj o Vidivarj, moltitudine ragunaticcia di nazioni diverse; del quale aggregato barbarico prima di lui non si ha memoria. Non solamente perciò le numerose tribù degli Acatziri si rimisero in libertà, ma un nuovo popolo avveticcio si formo rive del Baltico e trasse a se i malcontenti o gli esuli delle vicine regioni. Dopo i quali Vidioarj abitavano, al dir di Giornande, gli Esti e gli Agazzirri. Nè so perchè debba lodarsi la moderna congettura di uno scrittore il quale interpretendo co'vocaboli odierni la voce antica di Vidioarj non ravvisa in costoro se non un residuo soltanto di Goti, quasi Giornande non avesse posto tutte sorte di genti fra' Vidioarj. Tal nome corrotto in quello Gudivari o Withivari durò lungamente in Prussia, ed i Lithuani d'oggidi danno ancora nome di Gudai a'Prussiani. Ne io riferirò le varie spiegazioni date fin qui alla parola Vidioarj, paragonata qualche volta con quella d'Angrivarii e d'Ansivarii dell'antica Germania, qualche altra con quella de' Boiobarii o Bavari.

In such a shortage of news in the fast signs Giornande are a great value, for when it is egle writer of small account one can deny the grandson of Peria faith in what you narrates the transmigrazioni barbarians since Attila the Hun. Giornande then writes that to her of the three mouths of the Vistula were residing or Vidioarj Vidivarj, ragunaticcia multitude of different nations, of which aggregate barbaric before him there is no memory. Therefore not only the numerous tribes of Acatziri resumed their freedom, but a new nation was formed sojourner shores of the Baltic and dragged if the discontented exiles or the nearby regions. Vidioarj after which they lived, to say the Giornande, the Esti, Agazzirri. I know not why I should praise himself the conjecture of a modern writer who interpretendo words today the ancient voice of Vidioarj does not see in them only if a remnant of the Goths, almost Giornande had not brought all sorts of people between Vidioarj. Such as corrupted or what Gudivari Withivari lasted long in Prussia, and still give Lithuani of the present day name Gudai the Prussians. Nor do I refer the various explanations given so far to the word Vidioarj, sometimes compared with that of Angrivarii and Ansivarii of ancient Germany, with that of some other Boiobarii or Bavarians.


Geografia moderna universale ovvero descrizione fisica, statistica,topografica.
Di G. R. Pagnozzi
Firenze 1824
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